If you want to hear about the time Daryl Davis successfully convinced a concert promoter to hire him as Chuck Berry’s pianist for an upcoming show, you probably want to listen to this podcast. If you also want to hear about the time he convinced a Ku Klux Klan member to give up his robe, you should really listen to this podcast.

Davis hasn’t taken just one member of the KKK on a journey of transformation, he’s convinced upwards of 200 white supremacists to leave extremist groups. Hear him describe the personal background that gave him a foundation for connecting across differences, and the counter-intuitive techniques that have helped him change minds.